Jack McConnell’s future clouded by Chinese whispers Labour MSPs will go straight from Wednesday's crucial Holyrood vote, which is likely to see Alex Salmond become the first SNP First Minister, to a two-day closed meeting which could decide Jack McConnell's future.
In spite of speculation over the weekend about if or when he might step down or be ousted, and who might succeed him as Labour leader, none of the key names was owning up to this last night.
The most widely-named candidate for the succession, Wendy Alexander, issued a statement last night stressing: "Jack McConnell is both serving Scottish Labour leader and still Scotland's First Minister. There is no vacancy and he has my support."
One report at the weekend had several Labour women MSPs meeting to plot Ms Alexander's leadership campaign over a Chinese meal, prompting jibes from political opponents about the "prawn cracker conspiracy" and the "sweet n' sour coup".
Those present at the event at the home of Pauline McNeill, the MSP for Glasgow Kelvin, said describing the gathering in terms of a plot is laughable. It was simply a get-together involving friends, many accompanied by their children, after a month of hectic electioneering.
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"I was astonished to discover that me having a Chinese takeaway was front page news," said Jackie Baillie, the Dumbarton MSP. "It was simply a gathering of old pals with their kids. Wendy wasn't even there by the time the food arrived.
"Yes, we gathered as friends and yes, we had a Chinese meal, but simply as a group that get together socially from time to time. The laugh is that the biggest debate wasn't about Jack or the leadership but about which rooms we wanted at Holyrood."
The other flaw in the "sweet n' sour conspiracy" theory is that should Mr McConnell decide to stand down, some of those present could be rival contenders with Ms Alexander to succeed him. Margaret Curran was present, as were Johann Lamont, Sarah Boyack and Karen Gillon.
There was also speculation that if Mr McConnell does not stand down Charles Gordon, the Glasgow Cathcart MSP, would seek to force a contest, but he said last night: "There is no vacancy and I am not going to comment on speculation."
Meanwhile, Home Secretary John Reid was yesterday urged to take over the leadership of the Scottish Labour Party following the election defeat.
Labour MP Brian Donohoe suggested that Mr Reid could come to Scotland to lead the party after he stands down as Home Secretary.
The Central Ayrshire MP said: "He John Reid said he had had nine jobs in 10 years - maybe this should be his 10th job."
He added there should a by-election in one of the party's Holyrood seats, which Mr Reid could then contest. Once elected as an MSP, he could then become the party leader.
12:15am Monday 14th May 2007  Print  Email this  CommentPosted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 11:20pm Sun 13 May 07 David my friend.
thank you for replying last night giving me your history on voting for SNP. and your hopes of independence one day.
Also thanks for telling Vronsky about my website.
Tomorrow I will be putting the " Freddie Mercury website" back on. This is a relatively new site called "Lover of Life Singer of Songs" lolsos.
Thank you my friend and political foe. ( tongue in cheek) David my friend.
thank you for replying last night giving me your history on voting for SNP. and your hopes of independence one day.
Also thanks for telling Vronsky about my website.
Tomorrow I will be putting the " Freddie Mercury website" back on. This is a relatively new site called "Lover of Life Singer of Songs" lolsos.
Thank you my friend and political foe. ( tongue in cheek) Posted by: Jason4queen, Ayrshire on 11:34pm Sun 13 May 07 RETIRED................... OR BRIAN BLESSED.
Read this.
David el escocés wrote:
TO JASON4QUEEN
One more thing. You have a web site and some other people don't. At least you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and saying, "This is what I am and this is what I believe." Although your politics differs from mine, I think you are doing something that a lot of labour supporters don't do, and that is asking questions. You don't OFTEN come on and say, "I believe this and you are all wrong." You do at least look for some answers as to why we Nats think as we do. For me, as I have stated before, I was there when Winnie Ewing took Hamilton and was part of the "car cavalcade." Yes I am that old, (55 going on 20), and the sense of BIG CHANGE was in the air! I remember people from the "sing-sing" scheme in Hamilton cheering us on when we drove through the estate. These were people who traditionally voted labour and had had enough. I have waited for forty years for this big breakthrough and my heart is bursting. I don't know how old you are (and I suppose it for me or anybody to wait, but I have waited through the bad years when we were in decline. The recent upsurge in support for the SNP has gladdened me immensely and I'm sure you understand that although you don't agree. One thing to think of. During my adolescent years and adulthood, labour was always very strong in Scotland. We voted labour when England voted Tory and we in Scotland were stuck with Thatcher & Major. I remember 1997 when Tony Blair & labour won the election. Although I voted SNP then, I was glad that we finally had got rid of the conservatives. In this we both agree. I just don't want to see another Tory government in my lifetime. Unfortunately, in my opinion, I don't think labour will win the next UK election. You will understand now that my voting SNP was not an anti-labour vote but a pro-Scotland vote.
Scotland is traditionally a labour stronghold, although recent events have altered the map. There are many aspects of the labour manifesto I agree with, but if we have UK Tory control, it's all a bit pointless having labour in control of the Scottish parliament. we will be ignored. If we had an Independent Scotland, it wouldn't matter a toss if England, Wales & Northern Ireland were Tory as it wouldn't affect us.
Think forward to the future if we WERE independent. The Scottish elections would take place and people would then vote on policies! The SNP, Labour, Tory, Liberal & Greens etc would produce manifestos. We would vote according to our beliefs as to what was best for our OWN country (hopefully with FULL proportional representation) and have a parliament working for our own populace doing what was best for us all. I believe only by voting SNP can we achieve all this and more.
I know I can never change your mind, as you could never change mine, but I think I have set out exactly where I am am coming from. All the best from sunny Spain and I'll speak to you soon.
You see Retired, This was written by an adult. Not a small child who only throws tantrums at those of us who disagree on certain SNP policies. You should take a leaf out of his book. Although it would have to be a picture pop up book for you to understand it. RETIRED................... OR BRIAN BLESSED.
Read this.
David el escocés wrote:
TO JASON4QUEEN
One more thing. You have a web site and some other people don't. At least you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and saying, "This is what I am and this is what I believe." Although your politics differs from mine, I think you are doing something that a lot of labour supporters don't do, and that is asking questions. You don't OFTEN come on and say, "I believe this and you are all wrong." You do at least look for some answers as to why we Nats think as we do. For me, as I have stated before, I was there when Winnie Ewing took Hamilton and was part of the "car cavalcade." Yes I am that old, (55 going on 20), and the sense of BIG CHANGE was in the air! I remember people from the "sing-sing" scheme in Hamilton cheering us on when we drove through the estate. These were people who traditionally voted labour and had had enough. I have waited for forty years for this big breakthrough and my heart is bursting. I don't know how old you are (and I suppose it for me or anybody to wait, but I have waited through the bad years when we were in decline. The recent upsurge in support for the SNP has gladdened me immensely and I'm sure you understand that although you don't agree. One thing to think of. During my adolescent years and adulthood, labour was always very strong in Scotland. We voted labour when England voted Tory and we in Scotland were stuck with Thatcher & Major. I remember 1997 when Tony Blair & labour won the election. Although I voted SNP then, I was glad that we finally had got rid of the conservatives. In this we both agree. I just don't want to see another Tory government in my lifetime. Unfortunately, in my opinion, I don't think labour will win the next UK election. You will understand now that my voting SNP was not an anti-labour vote but a pro-Scotland vote.
Scotland is traditionally a labour stronghold, although recent events have altered the map. There are many aspects of the labour manifesto I agree with, but if we have UK Tory control, it's all a bit pointless having labour in control of the Scottish parliament. we will be ignored. If we had an Independent Scotland, it wouldn't matter a toss if England, Wales & Northern Ireland were Tory as it wouldn't affect us.
Think forward to the future if we WERE independent. The Scottish elections would take place and people would then vote on policies! The SNP, Labour, Tory, Liberal & Greens etc would produce manifestos. We would vote according to our beliefs as to what was best for our OWN country (hopefully with FULL proportional representation) and have a parliament working for our own populace doing what was best for us all. I believe only by voting SNP can we achieve all this and more.
I know I can never change your mind, as you could never change mine, but I think I have set out exactly where I am am coming from. All the best from sunny Spain and I'll speak to you soon.
You see Retired, This was written by an adult. Not a small child who only throws tantrums at those of us who disagree on certain SNP policies. You should take a leaf out of his book. Although it would have to be a picture pop up book for you to understand it. Posted by: george alexander, north lanarksihre on 11:41pm Sun 13 May 07 Oh god, it's a pity that these comments areas are hijacked by a moronic element intent on posting tripe.
I suppose though that we have to put up with this rubbish if we are to remain relatively uncensored. Oh god, it's a pity that these comments areas are hijacked by a moronic element intent on posting tripe.
I suppose though that we have to put up with this rubbish if we are to remain relatively uncensored. Posted by: Gregor Addison, Scotland on 11:56pm Sun 13 May 07 John Reid as Labour Party Leader, there's a thought. It might work. but to me he often comes across as overly agressive. Maybe he should phone Alex and get the number for the charm school he's been going to.
It looks like Jack McConnell will go, then. Like the song says, Nobody loves you when you're down and out. John Reid as Labour Party Leader, there's a thought. It might work. but to me he often comes across as overly agressive. Maybe he should phone Alex and get the number for the charm school he's been going to.
It looks like Jack McConnell will go, then. Like the song says, Nobody loves you when you're down and out. Posted by: pehman, sussex on 12:17am Mon 14 May 07 So, their gonna make McConnell an offer he can't refuse, then hold a by-election to bring in Reid. Didn't they learn anything from the recent drubbing, like taking the people for granted. guess not!! So, their gonna make McConnell an offer he can't refuse, then hold a by-election to bring in Reid. Didn't they learn anything from the recent drubbing, like taking the people for granted. guess not!! Posted by: david, glasgow on 12:52am Mon 14 May 07 John Reid is a man tainted with 10 years of being close to Tony Blair in the cabinet. Him in charge of Scottish Labour can only force more people to the SNP, Lib Dems etc. John Reid is a man tainted with 10 years of being close to Tony Blair in the cabinet. Him in charge of Scottish Labour can only force more people to the SNP, Lib Dems etc. Posted by: Braveheart, Glasgow on 1:32am Mon 14 May 07 Oh! please vote Wendy (the mouth) in as leader. If there is something to help towards an even bigger majority for the SNP at the next election its this!!! Oh! please vote Wendy (the mouth) in as leader. If there is something to help towards an even bigger majority for the SNP at the next election its this!!! Posted by: Gordon, USA on 2:59am Mon 14 May 07 #10 - I agree. I'm sure that Alex Salmond is voting for Wendy too. Got to be his best option for winning the next election! #10 - I agree. I'm sure that Alex Salmond is voting for Wendy too. Got to be his best option for winning the next election! Posted by: auld yin, ashgill on 5:58am Mon 14 May 07 John Reid is the sum total of everything that the labour party of his father stood against.Just another free loader from the far right. John Reid is the sum total of everything that the labour party of his father stood against.Just another free loader from the far right. Posted by: wonderwoman on 6:19am Mon 14 May 07 It 'll certainly be a boost for the SNP if Labour have Wendy-the-Mouth as leader before the next election.
But if they pick Reid just now they're apparently going to have a by-election - in one of their own seats. And he has had 9 jobs in 10 years, so he's unlikely to stay long in the tenth one.
THEN they coulc pick Wendy. It 'll certainly be a boost for the SNP if Labour have Wendy-the-Mouth as leader before the next election.
But if they pick Reid just now they're apparently going to have a by-election - in one of their own seats. And he has had 9 jobs in 10 years, so he's unlikely to stay long in the tenth one.
THEN they coulc pick Wendy. Posted by: Vronsky, This Planet on 7:38am Mon 14 May 07 Hard to decide who would be best Labour leader, from a Nationalist point of view. Wendy's shrill arrogance alienates people pretty quickly, and her short fuse makes her an easy debating target. I hope they go for Reid, though - what by-election can they really be sure of winning? And how do they persuade the present incumbent to step down from the gravy train without another internal stushie?
Encouraging that they don't really have any good choices. McConnell may have sounded like a lobotomy patient, but he was the best they have.
Hard to decide who would be best Labour leader, from a Nationalist point of view. Wendy's shrill arrogance alienates people pretty quickly, and her short fuse makes her an easy debating target. I hope they go for Reid, though - what by-election can they really be sure of winning? And how do they persuade the present incumbent to step down from the gravy train without another internal stushie?
Encouraging that they don't really have any good choices. McConnell may have sounded like a lobotomy patient, but he was the best they have.
Posted by: donald anderson, glasgow on 7:43am Mon 14 May 07 North British Takeaway?
"Wendy Alexander, issued a statement last night stressing: "Jack McConnell is both serving Scottish Labour leader and still Scotland's First Minister. There is no vacancy and he has my support."
We all know what that means in Britspeak. How many times have we heard that before the opposite happens? North British Takeaway?
"Wendy Alexander, issued a statement last night stressing: "Jack McConnell is both serving Scottish Labour leader and still Scotland's First Minister. There is no vacancy and he has my support."
We all know what that means in Britspeak. How many times have we heard that before the opposite happens? Posted by: Vidal, vogue on 8:27am Mon 14 May 07 Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind. Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind. Posted by: Swilly Tisher, Loch Maree on 8:33am Mon 14 May 07 The only Wendy who would have been acceptable to the Scottish electorate would have been the late, and truly great Wendy Wood ; Not Douglas' wee (or is it big?) sister. The only Wendy who would have been acceptable to the Scottish electorate would have been the late, and truly great Wendy Wood ; Not Douglas' wee (or is it big?) sister. Posted by: teamdroid on 8:51am Mon 14 May 07 The idea of John Reid being parachuted into Holyrood is astonishing, and if this idea came from a Labour source, it just shows how totally out of touch they are with the new politics.
Reid is a political thug from the Lanarkshire Labour mafia (LLM), a relic of confrontational Westminster/council politics.
Oh, and let's not forget Dr. Reid's son and his lobbying company. And those drugs finds. And his 9 jobs in 10 years - not the mark of a man of talent. I'm sure it'd only be a week or so before he tried to close Holyrood down, on the pretext of some terrorist threat. The idea of John Reid being parachuted into Holyrood is astonishing, and if this idea came from a Labour source, it just shows how totally out of touch they are with the new politics.
Reid is a political thug from the Lanarkshire Labour mafia (LLM), a relic of confrontational Westminster/council politics.
Oh, and let's not forget Dr. Reid's son and his lobbying company. And those drugs finds. And his 9 jobs in 10 years - not the mark of a man of talent. I'm sure it'd only be a week or so before he tried to close Holyrood down, on the pretext of some terrorist threat. Posted by: The Voice of Reason, A93 on 8:59am Mon 14 May 07 I like Wendy having met her a few times over the last 5 years. She is very pleasant and courteous, and although capable of a right swinging flap under pressure, she can debate well and further entrench the female Labour vote.
John Reid however is an arrogant loudmouth and oor New Eck would lick him on a one-to-one nae bother. I summon up the Ghost of New Labour Future to ensure that JR is boomeranged north and foisted upon the voters of some wee banana constituency if there's any left. 48-45 sounds like a better differential than 47-46.
VoR
I like Wendy having met her a few times over the last 5 years. She is very pleasant and courteous, and although capable of a right swinging flap under pressure, she can debate well and further entrench the female Labour vote.
John Reid however is an arrogant loudmouth and oor New Eck would lick him on a one-to-one nae bother. I summon up the Ghost of New Labour Future to ensure that JR is boomeranged north and foisted upon the voters of some wee banana constituency if there's any left. 48-45 sounds like a better differential than 47-46.
VoR
Posted by: mirror mirror, Glasgow on 9:00am Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Vidal[/bold] wrote:
Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind.[/quote] Absolutley pathetic. The thoughts obviously of former school playground bully. Vidal wrote:
Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind. Absolutley pathetic. The thoughts obviously of former school playground bully. Posted by: Big Birds, glasgow on 9:01am Mon 14 May 07 Lot of BIG lassies in amongst them.
Aye, I would rather have a curry...
That said, Jack Lad has been a disaster for the the Labour middle class party. Trendy Wendy will be worse of course, but hey, the Labour crowd are extremely stupid.
Given ther girls (cough/splutter), me phinks the lads will give them something they don't expect - a male leader. The girly meeting was vomit inducing if you really think about it. Hubble bubble right enough - typical wumin eh! Lot of BIG lassies in amongst them.
Aye, I would rather have a curry...
That said, Jack Lad has been a disaster for the the Labour middle class party. Trendy Wendy will be worse of course, but hey, the Labour crowd are extremely stupid.
Given ther girls (cough/splutter), me phinks the lads will give them something they don't expect - a male leader. The girly meeting was vomit inducing if you really think about it. Hubble bubble right enough - typical wumin eh! Posted by: Argentocoxus, Caledonia on 9:23am Mon 14 May 07 In 2001 John Reid bought a house in Westminster with his then partner, now wife. It cost £1.2million and was paid for by funds from a shadowy offshore company in the British Virgin Islands.
She was then a **** film producer so it could be said that he has been living off immoral earnings.
The house is now worth £2.2million. Can anyone imagine this pair settling in pigsty Motherwell? In 2001 John Reid bought a house in Westminster with his then partner, now wife. It cost £1.2million and was paid for by funds from a shadowy offshore company in the British Virgin Islands.
She was then a **** film producer so it could be said that he has been living off immoral earnings.
The house is now worth £2.2million. Can anyone imagine this pair settling in pigsty Motherwell? Posted by: Alan Smart, www.youscotland.com on 9:57am Mon 14 May 07 David Steel, educated George Watsons College
George Reid, educated Dollar Academy
Adam Fergusson, educated Eton
Do you have to be a public schoolboy to hold this post?
Margo - people friendly Hamilton Academy girl, just one of her many qualities
That labour, SNP and Lib Dem MSPs might prefer an Eton educated Galloway Tory to Margo would be to their eternal shame.
And the Holyrood guilty will be once more be popping the champagne corks - they'll have fixed an election as well as the bill.
If you have any influence phone your MSP now ( vote 15.00)
[bold]Tel 0131 348 5000[/bold] David Steel, educated George Watsons College
George Reid, educated Dollar Academy
Adam Fergusson, educated Eton
Do you have to be a public schoolboy to hold this post?
Margo - people friendly Hamilton Academy girl, just one of her many qualities
That labour, SNP and Lib Dem MSPs might prefer an Eton educated Galloway Tory to Margo would be to their eternal shame.
And the Holyrood guilty will be once more be popping the champagne corks - they'll have fixed an election as well as the bill.
If you have any influence phone your MSP now ( vote 15.00)
Tel 0131 348 5000 Posted by: Jo, Glasgow on 10:22am Mon 14 May 07 The arrogance of Westminster towards the Scottish Parliament has never been more obvious. For Brian Donohoe to suggest that John Reid should simply swap places and walk straight into Holyrood is arrogant indeed. Reid is a political thug, he has no respect for people and he backed Blair to the hilt time and time again. He labelled people who opposed the Iraq war as supporters of terrorism, he was deaf to all opposition to it. The other thing for Westminster MPs to be worrying about of course, the Scottish ones, is that Labour will almost certainly lose power at the next General Election. England is on the move towards independence too you see and the first step in that direction will be to kick Labour straight out at the next election. (This is something Scottish MPs brought upon themselves by voting on English issues at Westminster when they should have abstained!!!) John Reid is making his escape now and little lap dog Donohoe has clearly been appointed to pave the way. Maybe a first minister with a relative caught carrying knives is just what we need to get politicians in touch with the problem eh? And maybe John Reid has already promised Brian a way in at Holyrood too eventually. The arrogance of Westminster towards the Scottish Parliament has never been more obvious. For Brian Donohoe to suggest that John Reid should simply swap places and walk straight into Holyrood is arrogant indeed. Reid is a political thug, he has no respect for people and he backed Blair to the hilt time and time again. He labelled people who opposed the Iraq war as supporters of terrorism, he was deaf to all opposition to it. The other thing for Westminster MPs to be worrying about of course, the Scottish ones, is that Labour will almost certainly lose power at the next General Election. England is on the move towards independence too you see and the first step in that direction will be to kick Labour straight out at the next election. (This is something Scottish MPs brought upon themselves by voting on English issues at Westminster when they should have abstained!!!) John Reid is making his escape now and little lap dog Donohoe has clearly been appointed to pave the way. Maybe a first minister with a relative caught carrying knives is just what we need to get politicians in touch with the problem eh? And maybe John Reid has already promised Brian a way in at Holyrood too eventually. Posted by: Neil 9% Growth, lasgow on 10:25am Mon 14 May 07 If Labour are to come back they must at least give the impression that they are listening to the electorate & trying to renwe themselves. The easiest way to do that is to change leaders. This is not to say that any of the alternatives id better than Jack merely diferent - politics is a rough sport.
In my opinion they should go for somebody who supports, or at least is not on record as opposing, nuclear power. Last year's conference voted overwhelmingly for new nuclear & by the time the next election comes up in 2011 Hunterston will be on the point of closing & even politicians will be unable to ignore the fact that we are facing blackouts. This will be a major issue then & since currently all the parties are in favour of massive blackouts & freezing thousands of pensioners to death there is a space for a sane party. Unfortunately Wendy Alexander has spoken against nuclear. If Labour are to come back they must at least give the impression that they are listening to the electorate & trying to renwe themselves. The easiest way to do that is to change leaders. This is not to say that any of the alternatives id better than Jack merely diferent - politics is a rough sport.
In my opinion they should go for somebody who supports, or at least is not on record as opposing, nuclear power. Last year's conference voted overwhelmingly for new nuclear & by the time the next election comes up in 2011 Hunterston will be on the point of closing & even politicians will be unable to ignore the fact that we are facing blackouts. This will be a major issue then & since currently all the parties are in favour of massive blackouts & freezing thousands of pensioners to death there is a space for a sane party. Unfortunately Wendy Alexander has spoken against nuclear. Posted by: cruella, greyskull on 10:36am Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]mirror mirror[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Vidal[/bold] wrote: Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind.[/quote] Absolutley pathetic. The thoughts obviously of former school playground bully.[/quote] The remedy is dont look in your two-way mirror,did you get your humour by-pass on the NHSor did you go private.........pratt! mirror mirror wrote:
Vidal wrote: Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind. Absolutley pathetic. The thoughts obviously of former school playground bully. The remedy is dont look in your two-way mirror,did you get your humour by-pass on the NHSor did you go private.........pratt! Posted by: Oscar, Dumfropolis on 10:56am Mon 14 May 07 It would appear that this meme about Nichol Stephens beating Alex Salmond to the FM post is gathering momentum. Labour abandon McConnell and vote Stephen just to stymie the natural order....I wouldn'y have thought it legal. It would appear that this meme about Nichol Stephens beating Alex Salmond to the FM post is gathering momentum. Labour abandon McConnell and vote Stephen just to stymie the natural order....I wouldn'y have thought it legal. Posted by: mirror mirror, Glasgow on 11:04am Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]cruella[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]mirror mirror[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Vidal[/bold] wrote: Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind.[/quote] Absolutley pathetic. The thoughts obviously of former school playground bully.[/quote] The remedy is dont look in your two-way mirror,did you get your humour by-pass on the NHSor did you go private.........pratt![/quote] Cruella,
Yeah, what a laugh! There is no humour in hurt. Clearly you were another playground bully or perhaps just one of those who smirked behind the really bad guys. Your final word says it all really - cannot discuss a subject without demeaning someone. cruella wrote:
mirror mirror wrote: Vidal wrote: Aye Wendy the Scottish Margaret Beckitt,the ugly bug ball by Burl Ives comes to mind. Absolutley pathetic. The thoughts obviously of former school playground bully. The remedy is dont look in your two-way mirror,did you get your humour by-pass on the NHSor did you go private.........pratt! Cruella,
Yeah, what a laugh! There is no humour in hurt. Clearly you were another playground bully or perhaps just one of those who smirked behind the really bad guys. Your final word says it all really - cannot discuss a subject without demeaning someone. Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 11:16am Mon 14 May 07 It's all bad news for Labour - Jack McConnell, Wendy Alexander, Margaret Curran and John Reid as leader of the Scottish Labour party simply plays into the hands of the SNP.
I really do hope the party vote for Wendy, her behaviour will drive Labour voters into utter despair. It's all bad news for Labour - Jack McConnell, Wendy Alexander, Margaret Curran and John Reid as leader of the Scottish Labour party simply plays into the hands of the SNP.
I really do hope the party vote for Wendy, her behaviour will drive Labour voters into utter despair. Posted by: Iain on 11:31am Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Oscar[/bold] wrote:
It would appear that this meme about Nichol Stephens beating Alex Salmond to the FM post is gathering momentum. Labour abandon McConnell and vote Stephen just to stymie the natural order....I wouldn'y have thought it legal.[/quote] Nicol Steven for FM
That would be the biggest disaster in Scottish Politics since Darien and we all know what that led to - the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament. Oscar wrote:
It would appear that this meme about Nichol Stephens beating Alex Salmond to the FM post is gathering momentum. Labour abandon McConnell and vote Stephen just to stymie the natural order....I wouldn'y have thought it legal. Nicol Steven for FM
That would be the biggest disaster in Scottish Politics since Darien and we all know what that led to - the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament. Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 11:35am Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Jason4queen[/bold] wrote:
RETIRED................... OR BRIAN BLESSED. Read this. David el escocés wrote: TO JASON4QUEEN One more thing. You have a web site and some other people don\'t. At least you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and saying, \"This is what I am and this is what I believe.\" Although your politics differs from mine, I think you are doing something that a lot of labour supporters don\'t do, and that is asking questions. You don\'t OFTEN come on and say, \"I believe this and you are all wrong.\" You do at least look for some answers as to why we Nats think as we do. For me, as I have stated before, I was there when Winnie Ewing took Hamilton and was part of the \"car cavalcade.\" Yes I am that old, (55 going on 20), and the sense of BIG CHANGE was in the air! I remember people from the \"sing-sing\" scheme in Hamilton cheering us on when we drove through the estate. These were people who traditionally voted labour and had had enough. I have waited for forty years for this big breakthrough and my heart is bursting. I don\'t know how old you are (and I suppose it for me or anybody to wait, but I have waited through the bad years when we were in decline. The recent upsurge in support for the SNP has gladdened me immensely and I\'m sure you understand that although you don\'t agree. One thing to think of. During my adolescent years and adulthood, labour was always very strong in Scotland. We voted labour when England voted Tory and we in Scotland were stuck with Thatcher & Major. I remember 1997 when Tony Blair & labour won the election. Although I voted SNP then, I was glad that we finally had got rid of the conservatives. In this we both agree. I just don\'t want to see another Tory government in my lifetime. Unfortunately, in my opinion, I don\'t think labour will win the next UK election. You will understand now that my voting SNP was not an anti-labour vote but a pro-Scotland vote. Scotland is traditionally a labour stronghold, although recent events have altered the map. There are many aspects of the labour manifesto I agree with, but if we have UK Tory control, it\'s all a bit pointless having labour in control of the Scottish parliament. we will be ignored. If we had an Independent Scotland, it wouldn\'t matter a toss if England, Wales & Northern Ireland were Tory as it wouldn\'t affect us. Think forward to the future if we WERE independent. The Scottish elections would take place and people would then vote on policies! The SNP, Labour, Tory, Liberal & Greens etc would produce manifestos. We would vote according to our beliefs as to what was best for our OWN country (hopefully with FULL proportional representation) and have a parliament working for our own populace doing what was best for us all. I believe only by voting SNP can we achieve all this and more. I know I can never change your mind, as you could never change mine, but I think I have set out exactly where I am am coming from. All the best from sunny Spain and I\'ll speak to you soon. You see Retired, This was written by an adult. Not a small child who only throws tantrums at those of us who disagree on certain SNP policies. You should take a leaf out of his book. Although it would have to be a picture pop up book for you to understand it.[/quote] JASON
Oh Dear.
Son, it just gets worse and worse. Now you seem to have taken to making up names and writing your own fan posts....how sad.
..but maybe, I'm wrong...maybe there ARE two of you out there.........have you thought of making the relationship
PERMANENT?.......
......(Oh, and I never MENTIONED the SNP)...
...and to anyone wondering what this is about and who this odd ball jason4queen (!!!) character is:....... Just read this loonies website..........he's stone MAD !!!. GO AWAY JASON Jason4queen wrote:
RETIRED................... OR BRIAN BLESSED. Read this. David el escocés wrote: TO JASON4QUEEN One more thing. You have a web site and some other people don\'t. At least you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and saying, \"This is what I am and this is what I believe.\" Although your politics differs from mine, I think you are doing something that a lot of labour supporters don\'t do, and that is asking questions. You don\'t OFTEN come on and say, \"I believe this and you are all wrong.\" You do at least look for some answers as to why we Nats think as we do. For me, as I have stated before, I was there when Winnie Ewing took Hamilton and was part of the \"car cavalcade.\" Yes I am that old, (55 going on 20), and the sense of BIG CHANGE was in the air! I remember people from the \"sing-sing\" scheme in Hamilton cheering us on when we drove through the estate. These were people who traditionally voted labour and had had enough. I have waited for forty years for this big breakthrough and my heart is bursting. I don\'t know how old you are (and I suppose it for me or anybody to wait, but I have waited through the bad years when we were in decline. The recent upsurge in support for the SNP has gladdened me immensely and I\'m sure you understand that although you don\'t agree. One thing to think of. During my adolescent years and adulthood, labour was always very strong in Scotland. We voted labour when England voted Tory and we in Scotland were stuck with Thatcher & Major. I remember 1997 when Tony Blair & labour won the election. Although I voted SNP then, I was glad that we finally had got rid of the conservatives. In this we both agree. I just don\'t want to see another Tory government in my lifetime. Unfortunately, in my opinion, I don\'t think labour will win the next UK election. You will understand now that my voting SNP was not an anti-labour vote but a pro-Scotland vote. Scotland is traditionally a labour stronghold, although recent events have altered the map. There are many aspects of the labour manifesto I agree with, but if we have UK Tory control, it\'s all a bit pointless having labour in control of the Scottish parliament. we will be ignored. If we had an Independent Scotland, it wouldn\'t matter a toss if England, Wales & Northern Ireland were Tory as it wouldn\'t affect us. Think forward to the future if we WERE independent. The Scottish elections would take place and people would then vote on policies! The SNP, Labour, Tory, Liberal & Greens etc would produce manifestos. We would vote according to our beliefs as to what was best for our OWN country (hopefully with FULL proportional representation) and have a parliament working for our own populace doing what was best for us all. I believe only by voting SNP can we achieve all this and more. I know I can never change your mind, as you could never change mine, but I think I have set out exactly where I am am coming from. All the best from sunny Spain and I\'ll speak to you soon. You see Retired, This was written by an adult. Not a small child who only throws tantrums at those of us who disagree on certain SNP policies. You should take a leaf out of his book. Although it would have to be a picture pop up book for you to understand it. JASON
Oh Dear.
Son, it just gets worse and worse. Now you seem to have taken to making up names and writing your own fan posts....how sad.
..but maybe, I'm wrong...maybe there ARE two of you out there.........have you thought of making the relationship
PERMANENT?.......
......(Oh, and I never MENTIONED the SNP)...
...and to anyone wondering what this is about and who this odd ball jason4queen (!!!) character is:....... Just read this loonies website..........he's stone MAD !!!. GO AWAY JASON Posted by: cathydoll, Frae Cumnock on 12:00pm Mon 14 May 07 Poor Jason, poor taste in music and politics. Poor Jason, poor taste in music and politics. Posted by: yuri on 12:18pm Mon 14 May 07 John Reid returning to Scottish politics?if you look at his history he has been an opportunist and chancer who has bent his political beliefs to suit the occasion,he could have well fitted into Thatcher's government or Beria's NKVD with equal ease providing it was up the political ladder,I doubt he would regard returning to Scotland a move up
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1877542,00.html John Reid returning to Scottish politics?if you look at his history he has been an opportunist and chancer who has bent his political beliefs to suit the occasion,he could have well fitted into Thatcher's government or Beria's NKVD with equal ease providing it was up the political ladder,I doubt he would regard returning to Scotland a move up
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1877542,00.html Posted by: David el escocés, Málaga on 1:02pm Mon 14 May 07 [bold]One report at the weekend had several Labour women MSPs meeting to plot Ms Alexander's leadership campaign over a Chinese meal.[/bold]
SAKI JACKIE!
Oops sorry. Saki is Japanese. One report at the weekend had several Labour women MSPs meeting to plot Ms Alexander's leadership campaign over a Chinese meal.
SAKI JACKIE!
Oops sorry. Saki is Japanese. Posted by: Ruaidhrí, Macduff on 1:19pm Mon 14 May 07 Typical of Nu Labor's Donohoe to want a Stalinist Reid to take over London's fifth-columnists in Holyrood. Typical of Nu Labor's Donohoe to want a Stalinist Reid to take over London's fifth-columnists in Holyrood. Posted by: A White on 1:28pm Mon 14 May 07 I see someone is selling House of Commons whisky autographed by Alex Salmond on Ebay. Maybe Jack should cash in quick !!!! I see someone is selling House of Commons whisky autographed by Alex Salmond on Ebay. Maybe Jack should cash in quick !!!! Posted by: Stephen, Glasgow on 1:56pm Mon 14 May 07 It will take a lot more than a change in personnel to get back the labour voters who deserted them in the elections. Jack McConnell was a very personable person but had to justify (through gritted teeth if his TV interview were anything to go by) the shambolic Labour policies that have turned off so many voters. If they think bringing John Reid up will change things, then they are deluded. This is the man who tried to frighten us by telling us that Scotland would be a haven for terrorists if we decide to go down the independence road. What is needed is a total rethink of Labour policy in Scotland and also an end to their quite unbelievable arrogance. What is also needed is an informed and mature debate on the pros/cons of independence and not the immature and totally one sided drivel that the tabloids (and some broadsheets) were spouting during the election campaign. It will take a lot more than a change in personnel to get back the labour voters who deserted them in the elections. Jack McConnell was a very personable person but had to justify (through gritted teeth if his TV interview were anything to go by) the shambolic Labour policies that have turned off so many voters. If they think bringing John Reid up will change things, then they are deluded. This is the man who tried to frighten us by telling us that Scotland would be a haven for terrorists if we decide to go down the independence road. What is needed is a total rethink of Labour policy in Scotland and also an end to their quite unbelievable arrogance. What is also needed is an informed and mature debate on the pros/cons of independence and not the immature and totally one sided drivel that the tabloids (and some broadsheets) were spouting during the election campaign. Posted by: ian smith, east kilbride on 2:16pm Mon 14 May 07 U.D.I. Posted by: LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL, west coast on 2:23pm Mon 14 May 07 1.Radical feminists have taken over the Scottish Parliament
2.Radical feminists ensure NO cross party groups for MEN only women
3.Radical feminists control family courts fleecing men of their assets,children and homes
4.Radical feminists replace mothering with domination of men at Holyrood.
5.Radical feminists gain power and wealth through Scotlands corrupt divorce courts
6.Radical feminists will do the same as Thatcher shut down all jobs only men will do
and replace with jobs women will do.
7.Radical feminists wont go down mines,hang off ships or clean slag in steel mills.
8.Radical feminists want single parent familes dominated by women.
9.Radical feminists dont want equality with men but to dominate them.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
http://www.ljpr.info
CIVIL TRIAL BY JURY ANYTHING ELSE IS TYRANNY
1.Radical feminists have taken over the Scottish Parliament
2.Radical feminists ensure NO cross party groups for MEN only women
3.Radical feminists control family courts fleecing men of their assets,children and homes
4.Radical feminists replace mothering with domination of men at Holyrood.
5.Radical feminists gain power and wealth through Scotlands corrupt divorce courts
6.Radical feminists will do the same as Thatcher shut down all jobs only men will do
and replace with jobs women will do.
7.Radical feminists wont go down mines,hang off ships or clean slag in steel mills.
8.Radical feminists want single parent familes dominated by women.
9.Radical feminists dont want equality with men but to dominate them.
LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS
http://www.ljpr.info
CIVIL TRIAL BY JURY ANYTHING ELSE IS TYRANNY
Posted by: Robert the Bruce, Glasgow on 2:36pm Mon 14 May 07 You would have thought that SNP message boarders, having got a half decent election result, would now be toning down their moronic name calling a bit. But no - just more of the same childish drivel. These neanderthals think it's funny to make insulting comments about a female politician's looks, and Wendy Alexander is their latest target - but any woman whose not in the SNP will do, it seems. Maybe that's why Margo left the party.
You would have thought that SNP message boarders, having got a half decent election result, would now be toning down their moronic name calling a bit. But no - just more of the same childish drivel. These neanderthals think it's funny to make insulting comments about a female politician's looks, and Wendy Alexander is their latest target - but any woman whose not in the SNP will do, it seems. Maybe that's why Margo left the party.
Posted by: longshanks, buckie on 2:54pm Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Robert the Bruce[/bold] wrote:
You would have thought that SNP message boarders, having got a half decent election result, would now be toning down their moronic name calling a bit. But no - just more of the same childish drivel. These neanderthals think it's funny to make insulting comments about a female politician's looks, and Wendy Alexander is their latest target - but any woman whose not in the SNP will do, it seems. Maybe that's why Margo left the party. [/quote] I am a Labour supporter and if the burds are ugly they're ugly,whits up Rab you another PC tyrant,get a life there's more important things to worry about,how about unpaid children acting as carers to family members because this rank rotten society likes to sweep it under the carpet.Or is that to much like real politics for your PC brain. Robert the Bruce wrote:
You would have thought that SNP message boarders, having got a half decent election result, would now be toning down their moronic name calling a bit. But no - just more of the same childish drivel. These neanderthals think it's funny to make insulting comments about a female politician's looks, and Wendy Alexander is their latest target - but any woman whose not in the SNP will do, it seems. Maybe that's why Margo left the party. I am a Labour supporter and if the burds are ugly they're ugly,whits up Rab you another PC tyrant,get a life there's more important things to worry about,how about unpaid children acting as carers to family members because this rank rotten society likes to sweep it under the carpet.Or is that to much like real politics for your PC brain. Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 3:16pm Mon 14 May 07 So the wimmin want to take over the Labour Party. As a Nationalist I say let them. Look what they did to the SSP! So the wimmin want to take over the Labour Party. As a Nationalist I say let them. Look what they did to the SSP! Posted by: Winnading on 3:19pm Mon 14 May 07 Pauline McNeil , wasn't she the one that made that articulate and dignified acceptance speech on election night , the one that would have made any Scot proud to have voted for her and her party?
Naw.
Thought not. Pauline McNeil , wasn't she the one that made that articulate and dignified acceptance speech on election night , the one that would have made any Scot proud to have voted for her and her party?
Naw.
Thought not. Posted by: tasty macfadden, Inverness on 3:21pm Mon 14 May 07 Amen, Bruce. 2.36pm
You would almost think that some of this was scripted by the great egalitarian, Tommy (SlagsScumGold-diggers) Sheridan, and his band of degenerates, vivisectionists and pornographers. ( I hope Mr Dailly doesn't sue me) Ms Alexander, Ms Jameson and that other one are revolting in their actions and in their words, their looks don't come into it. Wee Alex is no oil picture now, is he ? Slag 'em off, Vidal, by all means, they deserve it but if I knew who you were you'd need a dentist and, as you know, these are as rare in Scotland as an honest politician. It would be tremendous if the incestuous, careerist cabal that is ScotLab DID elect Ms Alexander leader; she would wipe them out entirely, even on the radio.
As for wee Jack, a few years working in a care home, busting his back as a fiver-an-hour a*se wiper might redeem his rancid soul, might stop him, every time he lies down to sleep, seeing dead Iraqi children coming through the walls, but I doubt it. The Devil will have a special, warm place for Mr McConnell.
ps rumours about Ms Alexander's brother and Mr Gordon (Daphne) Brown are given little credence by their friends. Amen, Bruce. 2.36pm
You would almost think that some of this was scripted by the great egalitarian, Tommy (SlagsScumGold-diggers) Sheridan, and his band of degenerates, vivisectionists and pornographers. ( I hope Mr Dailly doesn't sue me) Ms Alexander, Ms Jameson and that other one are revolting in their actions and in their words, their looks don't come into it. Wee Alex is no oil picture now, is he ? Slag 'em off, Vidal, by all means, they deserve it but if I knew who you were you'd need a dentist and, as you know, these are as rare in Scotland as an honest politician. It would be tremendous if the incestuous, careerist cabal that is ScotLab DID elect Ms Alexander leader; she would wipe them out entirely, even on the radio.
As for wee Jack, a few years working in a care home, busting his back as a fiver-an-hour a*se wiper might redeem his rancid soul, might stop him, every time he lies down to sleep, seeing dead Iraqi children coming through the walls, but I doubt it. The Devil will have a special, warm place for Mr McConnell.
ps rumours about Ms Alexander's brother and Mr Gordon (Daphne) Brown are given little credence by their friends. Posted by: Robert the Bruce, Glasgow on 3:57pm Mon 14 May 07 Yep, longshanks and tasty mcfadden - well done.
Intelligent comment. Penetrating analysis.
Just what this board needs. Yep, longshanks and tasty mcfadden - well done.
Intelligent comment. Penetrating analysis.
Just what this board needs. Posted by: Mike, London on 4:28pm Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Jo[/bold] wrote:
The arrogance of Westminster towards the Scottish Parliament has never been more obvious. For Brian Donohoe to suggest that John Reid should simply swap places and walk straight into Holyrood is arrogant indeed. Reid is a political thug, he has no respect for people and he backed Blair to the hilt time and time again. He labelled people who opposed the Iraq war as supporters of terrorism, he was deaf to all opposition to it. The other thing for Westminster MPs to be worrying about of course, the Scottish ones, is that Labour will almost certainly lose power at the next General Election. England is on the move towards independence too you see and the first step in that direction will be to kick Labour straight out at the next election. (This is something Scottish MPs brought upon themselves by voting on English issues at Westminster when they should have abstained!!!) John Reid is making his escape now and little lap dog Donohoe has clearly been appointed to pave the way. Maybe a first minister with a relative caught carrying knives is just what we need to get politicians in touch with the problem eh? And maybe John Reid has already promised Brian a way in at Holyrood too eventually. [/quote] Spot on !!,what the unionist refuse to recognise,is that the English don't want the union anymore,and thats anti nobody only Westminster,oh !!! I'm sorry Her Majesty and Gordon still want it.Perhaps the unionists can tell us if they are going have a union,who is it going to be with. Jo wrote:
The arrogance of Westminster towards the Scottish Parliament has never been more obvious. For Brian Donohoe to suggest that John Reid should simply swap places and walk straight into Holyrood is arrogant indeed. Reid is a political thug, he has no respect for people and he backed Blair to the hilt time and time again. He labelled people who opposed the Iraq war as supporters of terrorism, he was deaf to all opposition to it. The other thing for Westminster MPs to be worrying about of course, the Scottish ones, is that Labour will almost certainly lose power at the next General Election. England is on the move towards independence too you see and the first step in that direction will be to kick Labour straight out at the next election. (This is something Scottish MPs brought upon themselves by voting on English issues at Westminster when they should have abstained!!!) John Reid is making his escape now and little lap dog Donohoe has clearly been appointed to pave the way. Maybe a first minister with a relative caught carrying knives is just what we need to get politicians in touch with the problem eh? And maybe John Reid has already promised Brian a way in at Holyrood too eventually. Spot on !!,what the unionist refuse to recognise,is that the English don't want the union anymore,and thats anti nobody only Westminster,oh !!! I'm sorry Her Majesty and Gordon still want it.Perhaps the unionists can tell us if they are going have a union,who is it going to be with. Posted by: strolling along on 4:29pm Mon 14 May 07 Hing aboot a wee minute Longshanks
these kids working as unpaid carers, that widnae be in a Labour, ten years in power, Britain, wid it? Hing aboot a wee minute Longshanks
these kids working as unpaid carers, that widnae be in a Labour, ten years in power, Britain, wid it? Posted by: BillyBunter on 4:41pm Mon 14 May 07 Let me get this straight Pauline McNeill ordered a Chinese carryout but Wendy left before the food arrived.
Jimmy Chungs not private enough then ladies?
Poor Jack , If I had Pauline McNeill on my case I'd be worried.
Wendy is going to great lengths to reassure him that his job is safe. So he's finished.
Let me get this straight Pauline McNeill ordered a Chinese carryout but Wendy left before the food arrived.
Jimmy Chungs not private enough then ladies?
Poor Jack , If I had Pauline McNeill on my case I'd be worried.
Wendy is going to great lengths to reassure him that his job is safe. So he's finished.
Posted by: iain morrison, nairn on 5:22pm Mon 14 May 07 Why do labour think they could win a by-election in any Scottish seat after the way we have watched them behave before, during and since the election? Why do labour think they could win a by-election in any Scottish seat after the way we have watched them behave before, during and since the election? Posted by: David el escocés, Málaga on 6:13pm Mon 14 May 07 [bold]Labour MP Brian Donohoe suggested that Mr Reid could come to Scotland to lead the party after he stands down as Home Secretary.
The Central Ayrshire MP said: "He John Reid
said he had had nine jobs in 10 years - maybe this should be his 10th job."[/bold]
So....nine jobs in ten years? What could this mean?
1. He didn't stay around long enough in any job to make his mark or............
2. He followed the kudos & the money or.......
3. He's a ditherer and doesn't really know what he wants to do or.........
4. He was cr@p at every one of them & was moved around the company.
What does Brian Donohoe expect to gain with his utterences? (or did someone put him up to it?)
And finally....another MP poking his nose into MSP affairs. Labour MP Brian Donohoe suggested that Mr Reid could come to Scotland to lead the party after he stands down as Home Secretary.
The Central Ayrshire MP said: "He John Reid
said he had had nine jobs in 10 years - maybe this should be his 10th job."
So....nine jobs in ten years? What could this mean?
1. He didn't stay around long enough in any job to make his mark or............
2. He followed the kudos & the money or.......
3. He's a ditherer and doesn't really know what he wants to do or.........
4. He was cr@p at every one of them & was moved around the company.
What does Brian Donohoe expect to gain with his utterences? (or did someone put him up to it?)
And finally....another MP poking his nose into MSP affairs. Posted by: Rob, EH7 on 6:28pm Mon 14 May 07 I'm no fan of Wendy Alexander, but criticising her personal appearance is petty, vindictive and immature. And I've heard it said, even by political rivals, that she's quite able as a politician, which is more than can be said for most other Labour drones in Scotland. Including her brother.
John Reid has many fine qualities mentioned here, but don't forget his lost weekend with a Serbian warlord (Radovan Karadzic), and his patronising belief that the Scottish working class are too thick to make decisions for themselves. I also think the country has had more than enough of the Lanarkshire mafia, and he's a capo di tutti capo amongst them.
Alan Smart - you're not living up to your name today. I would have thought it quite obvious that the SNP didn't want Margo as presiding officer as they might be relying on her vote in crucial issues. Self-interest for sure, but sensible politics. I'm no fan of Wendy Alexander, but criticising her personal appearance is petty, vindictive and immature. And I've heard it said, even by political rivals, that she's quite able as a politician, which is more than can be said for most other Labour drones in Scotland. Including her brother.
John Reid has many fine qualities mentioned here, but don't forget his lost weekend with a Serbian warlord (Radovan Karadzic), and his patronising belief that the Scottish working class are too thick to make decisions for themselves. I also think the country has had more than enough of the Lanarkshire mafia, and he's a capo di tutti capo amongst them.
Alan Smart - you're not living up to your name today. I would have thought it quite obvious that the SNP didn't want Margo as presiding officer as they might be relying on her vote in crucial issues. Self-interest for sure, but sensible politics. Posted by: George Laird, New Labour gerrymandered Glasgow ghetto on 7:01pm Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Braveheart[/bold] wrote:
Oh! please vote Wendy (the mouth) in as leader. If there is something to help towards an even bigger majority for the SNP at the next election its this!!![/quote] Dear Braveheart
I remember Wendy Alexander from my time at Glasgow University. Her rather large gob,which could put a banana going in sideways was evident then.
Although there is talk about her supposed abilities, it should be remember she failed medicine, failed it completely, total disaster. Probably thought a Humerus was a comedian, then we are told that she is some super intelligence.
?????????????????
For those who look at university life you will notice that Universities are rest homes for politicans, Galbraith (Glasgow Uni) George Reid (Glasgow Uni) and Wendy Alexander (Strathclyde) perhaps there is an investigation in there for the Herald?
I think the problem that confuses people with Wendy Alexander is that she has a rather big loud gob, doesn't allow others to put their views and goes off topic to confuse ordinary people.
It will be easy for the people of Scotland to intensely dislike Wendy Alexander in the event she becomes the leader of the living dead and it should be remember her brother was the one that messed up the scottish elections.
So talent we can assume is not inbred in that family.
Personally I don't care who become New Labour's next leader as they can all drown in their own juices as far as I am concerned.
Jack McConnell must have thought her unfit to be in cabinet by kicking her out and he is at the coal face!!!!!!!!
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University Braveheart wrote:
Oh! please vote Wendy (the mouth) in as leader. If there is something to help towards an even bigger majority for the SNP at the next election its this!!! Dear Braveheart
I remember Wendy Alexander from my time at Glasgow University. Her rather large gob,which could put a banana going in sideways was evident then.
Although there is talk about her supposed abilities, it should be remember she failed medicine, failed it completely, total disaster. Probably thought a Humerus was a comedian, then we are told that she is some super intelligence.
?????????????????
For those who look at university life you will notice that Universities are rest homes for politicans, Galbraith (Glasgow Uni) George Reid (Glasgow Uni) and Wendy Alexander (Strathclyde) perhaps there is an investigation in there for the Herald?
I think the problem that confuses people with Wendy Alexander is that she has a rather big loud gob, doesn't allow others to put their views and goes off topic to confuse ordinary people.
It will be easy for the people of Scotland to intensely dislike Wendy Alexander in the event she becomes the leader of the living dead and it should be remember her brother was the one that messed up the scottish elections.
So talent we can assume is not inbred in that family.
Personally I don't care who become New Labour's next leader as they can all drown in their own juices as far as I am concerned.
Jack McConnell must have thought her unfit to be in cabinet by kicking her out and he is at the coal face!!!!!!!!
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University Posted by: George Laird, New Labour gerrymandered Glasgow ghetto on 7:10pm Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]Rob[/bold] wrote:
I'm no fan of Wendy Alexander, but criticising her personal appearance is petty, vindictive and immature. And I've heard it said, even by political rivals, that she's quite able as a politician, which is more than can be said for most other Labour drones in Scotland. Including her brother. John Reid has many fine qualities mentioned here, but don't forget his lost weekend with a Serbian warlord (Radovan Karadzic), and his patronising belief that the Scottish working class are too thick to make decisions for themselves. I also think the country has had more than enough of the Lanarkshire mafia, and he's a capo di tutti capo amongst them. Alan Smart - you're not living up to your name today. I would have thought it quite obvious that the SNP didn't want Margo as presiding officer as they might be relying on her vote in crucial issues. Self-interest for sure, but sensible politics.[/quote] Dear Rob
"I'm no fan of Wendy Alexander, but criticising her personal appearance is petty, vindictive and immature."
You have a point but I am sure others will have rattled through a list before that to get to that stage to cover all the bases.
I would like to further express my opinion that I believe she is ugly.
Yours sincerely
George laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Rob wrote:
I'm no fan of Wendy Alexander, but criticising her personal appearance is petty, vindictive and immature. And I've heard it said, even by political rivals, that she's quite able as a politician, which is more than can be said for most other Labour drones in Scotland. Including her brother. John Reid has many fine qualities mentioned here, but don't forget his lost weekend with a Serbian warlord (Radovan Karadzic), and his patronising belief that the Scottish working class are too thick to make decisions for themselves. I also think the country has had more than enough of the Lanarkshire mafia, and he's a capo di tutti capo amongst them. Alan Smart - you're not living up to your name today. I would have thought it quite obvious that the SNP didn't want Margo as presiding officer as they might be relying on her vote in crucial issues. Self-interest for sure, but sensible politics. Dear Rob
"I'm no fan of Wendy Alexander, but criticising her personal appearance is petty, vindictive and immature."
You have a point but I am sure others will have rattled through a list before that to get to that stage to cover all the bases.
I would like to further express my opinion that I believe she is ugly.
Yours sincerely
George laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: willie johnston, leadhills on 7:14pm Mon 14 May 07 reid the betrayer, surely this gangster would,nt have the nerve to stand for hollyrood after his disgraceful act of annexing 300 squ miles of north sea territorial water,s in the north sea effectively moving the bourdery up to carnoustie as his last bastion of betrayal as the secretary of state for scotland with out any liason with the scottish mps or the scottish people. his position is entenable after this sinario and would be an insurl to the people of scotland. god forbid if this were to happen. aslo I would not be surprised if the labour losers voted in nichol stevens as first minister on wednesday as hen brioon and ming campbell fixed it that the fib dems would not go into coalition with the SNP under any sircumstances, that was the first plan and we will see the second plan coming up on wednesday as it would be pointless for the labourites to vote for wee joke mcnumty as he is now a spent force on his way out. reid the betrayer, surely this gangster would,nt have the nerve to stand for hollyrood after his disgraceful act of annexing 300 squ miles of north sea territorial water,s in the north sea effectively moving the bourdery up to carnoustie as his last bastion of betrayal as the secretary of state for scotland with out any liason with the scottish mps or the scottish people. his position is entenable after this sinario and would be an insurl to the people of scotland. god forbid if this were to happen. aslo I would not be surprised if the labour losers voted in nichol stevens as first minister on wednesday as hen brioon and ming campbell fixed it that the fib dems would not go into coalition with the SNP under any sircumstances, that was the first plan and we will see the second plan coming up on wednesday as it would be pointless for the labourites to vote for wee joke mcnumty as he is now a spent force on his way out. Posted by: Bugsy Malone on 7:39pm Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]tasty macfadden[/bold] wrote:
Amen, Bruce. 2.36pm You would almost think that some of this was scripted by the great egalitarian, Tommy (SlagsScumGold-diggers) Sheridan, and his band of degenerates, vivisectionists and pornographers. ( I hope Mr Dailly doesn't sue me) Ms Alexander, Ms Jameson and that other one are revolting in their actions and in their words, their looks don't come into it. Wee Alex is no oil picture now, is he ? Slag 'em off, Vidal, by all means, they deserve it but if I knew who you were you'd need a dentist and, as you know, these are as rare in Scotland as an honest politician. It would be tremendous if the incestuous, careerist cabal that is ScotLab DID elect Ms Alexander leader; she would wipe them out entirely, even on the radio. As for wee Jack, a few years working in a care home, busting his back as a fiver-an-hour a*se wiper might redeem his rancid soul, might stop him, every time he lies down to sleep, seeing dead Iraqi children coming through the walls, but I doubt it. The Devil will have a special, warm place for Mr McConnell. ps rumours about Ms Alexander's brother and Mr Gordon (Daphne) Brown are given little credence by their friends. [/quote] Holy Moses its the original keyboard gangster,when it comes to dealing with people from Glasgow based messageboards tread warily wasty,cos you might get your wish even in far away Inverness. tasty macfadden wrote:
Amen, Bruce. 2.36pm You would almost think that some of this was scripted by the great egalitarian, Tommy (SlagsScumGold-diggers) Sheridan, and his band of degenerates, vivisectionists and pornographers. ( I hope Mr Dailly doesn't sue me) Ms Alexander, Ms Jameson and that other one are revolting in their actions and in their words, their looks don't come into it. Wee Alex is no oil picture now, is he ? Slag 'em off, Vidal, by all means, they deserve it but if I knew who you were you'd need a dentist and, as you know, these are as rare in Scotland as an honest politician. It would be tremendous if the incestuous, careerist cabal that is ScotLab DID elect Ms Alexander leader; she would wipe them out entirely, even on the radio. As for wee Jack, a few years working in a care home, busting his back as a fiver-an-hour a*se wiper might redeem his rancid soul, might stop him, every time he lies down to sleep, seeing dead Iraqi children coming through the walls, but I doubt it. The Devil will have a special, warm place for Mr McConnell. ps rumours about Ms Alexander's brother and Mr Gordon (Daphne) Brown are given little credence by their friends. Holy Moses its the original keyboard gangster,when it comes to dealing with people from Glasgow based messageboards tread warily wasty,cos you might get your wish even in far away Inverness. Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 7:39pm Mon 14 May 07 As I said previously, look what happened to the SSP when the wimmin took them over. They sank without trace. Let them do the same to Scottish Labour! Let Jack follow Tommy into oblivion by failing to spot a feminist plot! As I said previously, look what happened to the SSP when the wimmin took them over. They sank without trace. Let them do the same to Scottish Labour! Let Jack follow Tommy into oblivion by failing to spot a feminist plot! Posted by: ashamed, glasgow on 7:45pm Mon 14 May 07 [quote][bold]strolling along[/bold] wrote:
Hing aboot a wee minute Longshanks these kids working as unpaid carers, that widnae be in a Labour, ten years in power, Britain, wid it?[/quote] The sad thing about these unpaid children who care for their relatives,is that the so called contributors to this board dont seem to think that it is important enough to discuss,a true reflection on an uncaring society. strolling along wrote:
Hing aboot a wee minute Longshanks these kids working as unpaid carers, that widnae be in a Labour, ten years in power, Britain, wid it? The sad thing about these unpaid children who care for their relatives,is that the so called contributors to this board dont seem to think that it is important enough to discuss,a true reflection on an uncaring society. Posted by: Rob, EH7 on 9:16pm Mon 14 May 07 Am I alone in getting the feeling that our beloved Herald (unofficial motto - "still better than the Scotsman, just") gets a bit twitchy when free speech gets too free. The last few posts have disappeared. One would almost think they didn't like references to John Reid cosying up to Radovan Karadzic (hint: it ain't libel if it's true). As another, considerably bolder, publication would say - shurely shome mistake. Am I alone in getting the feeling that our beloved Herald (unofficial motto - "still better than the Scotsman, just") gets a bit twitchy when free speech gets too free. The last few posts have disappeared. One would almost think they didn't like references to John Reid cosying up to Radovan Karadzic (hint: it ain't libel if it's true). As another, considerably bolder, publication would say - shurely shome mistake. Posted by: Rob, EH7 on 9:20pm Mon 14 May 07 Well colour me embarrassed! For some bizarre reason, my browser didn't load the last few posts when I looked a few minutes ago, and I wandered off into the sort of paranoid conspiracy theory usually to be found at a large sporting establishment in the east end of Glasgow.
My humble apologies - you're much better than the Scotsman! Well colour me embarrassed! For some bizarre reason, my browser didn't load the last few posts when I looked a few minutes ago, and I wandered off into the sort of paranoid conspiracy theory usually to be found at a large sporting establishment in the east end of Glasgow.
My humble apologies - you're much better than the Scotsman! Posted by: bill oddie, the garden on 11:55pm Mon 14 May 07 thanks Posted by: LA, Los Angeles on 12:46am Tue 15 May 07 [bold]JACK MCCONNELL'S FUTURE IN DOUBT[/bold]
"Are we bovvered? Do wee look bovvered?" JACK MCCONNELL'S FUTURE IN DOUBT
"Are we bovvered? Do wee look bovvered?" Posted by: Bobo on 8:57am Tue 15 May 07 Pauline McNeill - what can you say? Well, if you were to ask her I'm sure she would suggest that you said it in a very loud, angry and ungracious way. She might even suggest that you look at her acceptance speech as an example of the dignified way that the winner in an election should conduct herself. Or maybe she would suggest that you look to Margaret Curran or Bill Butler's acceptance speeches for further examples of New Labour politicians at their finest.
What a shower. Pauline McNeill - what can you say? Well, if you were to ask her I'm sure she would suggest that you said it in a very loud, angry and ungracious way. She might even suggest that you look at her acceptance speech as an example of the dignified way that the winner in an election should conduct herself. Or maybe she would suggest that you look to Margaret Curran or Bill Butler's acceptance speeches for further examples of New Labour politicians at their finest.
What a shower. Posted by: Mark Craig, Glasgow on 11:28am Tue 15 May 07 Bobo, it's difficult to make a gracious acceptance speech when you're having obsenities shouted at you by a bunch of Neanderthal Nats. Just a pity you didn't get to hear the ungracious speech from Sandra White (obvoiusly hadn't prepared anything but a winner speech), but as she lost again you didn't get that opportunity unless you were in the hall.
Or how about the equally ungracious way that the now SNP councillor for Partick West wanted to 'take someone outside' - and it wasn't for a spot of political discourse. Bobo, it's difficult to make a gracious acceptance speech when you're having obsenities shouted at you by a bunch of Neanderthal Nats. Just a pity you didn't get to hear the ungracious speech from Sandra White (obvoiusly hadn't prepared anything but a winner speech), but as she lost again you didn't get that opportunity unless you were in the hall.
Or how about the equally ungracious way that the now SNP councillor for Partick West wanted to 'take someone outside' - and it wasn't for a spot of political discourse. Posted by: Bobo on 12:23pm Tue 15 May 07 Oh well, from what I saw on the telly it looked like the people shouting form the floor were Scots-Asian suporters of one of the Christian parties but maybe you know better.
I watched the results with a politically neutral friend and his view was that it was a good thing Labour were getting such a gubbing if McNeill, Curran and Butler were examples of the sort of person new Labour were putting up for election. I have to say I agree.
Oh well, from what I saw on the telly it looked like the people shouting form the floor were Scots-Asian suporters of one of the Christian parties but maybe you know better.
I watched the results with a politically neutral friend and his view was that it was a good thing Labour were getting such a gubbing if McNeill, Curran and Butler were examples of the sort of person new Labour were putting up for election. I have to say I agree.
Posted by: GB on 2:01pm Tue 15 May 07 [quote][bold]Mark Craig[/bold] wrote:
Bobo, it's difficult to make a gracious acceptance speech when you're having obsenities shouted at you by a bunch of Neanderthal Nats. Just a pity you didn't get to hear the ungracious speech from Sandra White (obvoiusly hadn't prepared anything but a winner speech), but as she lost again you didn't get that opportunity unless you were in the hall. Or how about the equally ungracious way that the now SNP councillor for Partick West wanted to 'take someone outside' - and it wasn't for a spot of political discourse.[/quote] Nobody apart from Bill Butler and you have said they were SNP supporters. Why do you assume Butler is always right or do you just not like to question Labour MSPs (for it is they) and the things they say? Mark Craig wrote:
Bobo, it's difficult to make a gracious acceptance speech when you're having obsenities shouted at you by a bunch of Neanderthal Nats. Just a pity you didn't get to hear the ungracious speech from Sandra White (obvoiusly hadn't prepared anything but a winner speech), but as she lost again you didn't get that opportunity unless you were in the hall. Or how about the equally ungracious way that the now SNP councillor for Partick West wanted to 'take someone outside' - and it wasn't for a spot of political discourse. Nobody apart from Bill Butler and you have said they were SNP supporters. Why do you assume Butler is always right or do you just not like to question Labour MSPs (for it is they) and the things they say? Posted by: Bobo on 2:16pm Tue 15 May 07 Thanks, GB, for your contribution. I've been talking about this issue since the election because to be honest it's important that people get to see the side of Scottihs Labour which is always so carefully concealed form the general public. Anyone with any first hand experience of Scottish politics knows already what this crowd are like but it's important that the rest of the population gets to see the true character of Scottish Labour once in a while.
The horrible truth for Scottish Labour is that it is this kind of bullying, badgering and down right nastiness that has led to the slow but steady disappearance of the Labour vote in much of the country outside the west central belt. It will happen there too before long. Thanks, GB, for your contribution. I've been talking about this issue since the election because to be honest it's important that people get to see the side of Scottihs Labour which is always so carefully concealed form the general public. Anyone with any first hand experience of Scottish politics knows already what this crowd are like but it's important that the rest of the population gets to see the true character of Scottish Labour once in a while.
The horrible truth for Scottish Labour is that it is this kind of bullying, badgering and down right nastiness that has led to the slow but steady disappearance of the Labour vote in much of the country outside the west central belt. It will happen there too before long. Posted by: LA, Los Angeles on 10:36pm Tue 15 May 07 Mark ruined his argument by indulging in intemporate language describing nationalists as: [quote]it's difficult to make a gracious acceptance speech when you're having obsenities shouted at you by a bunch of Neanderthal Nats[/quote] But at least he gave each noun and capital letter. Mark ruined his argument by indulging in intemporate language describing nationalists as: it's difficult to make a gracious acceptance speech when you're having obsenities shouted at you by a bunch of Neanderthal Nats But at least he gave each noun and capital letter. Posted by: Mark Craig, Glasgow on 11:35am Wed 16 May 07 Bebo, I'm not taking Bill Butler's word for it - although why shouldn't I. I was actually there. And they were SNP supporters.
But hey if it's OK to offer to 'take someone outside', as Kenny Gibson the SNP Councilor for Partick West did, but not to give back some of the verbals that were being thrown about then it augurs well for Scotland under the Nats. Bebo, I'm not taking Bill Butler's word for it - although why shouldn't I. I was actually there. And they were SNP supporters.
But hey if it's OK to offer to 'take someone outside', as Kenny Gibson the SNP Councilor for Partick West did, but not to give back some of the verbals that were being thrown about then it augurs well for Scotland under the Nats. | 
